I wasn't even going to comment about this or persue it any further, but after thinking about it, I think it's more important to comment than let it go.
A little background first:
Last week, Tim wrote a fairly intriguing post on the nature of blogging.
Like many other bloggers, Tim has open comments so that readers can fill out their email and/or web url when they leave a comment. One such commenter did that at this post, and something about what she said piqued my curiosity (she said she was a former blogger, I thought maybe she was a blogger I had read before with a similar name) so I clicked on her web url. The first thing that caught my attention was this:
5-Point Calvinism & Extreme Arminianism: Both Enemies of the Gospel!
It's rather hard to miss, with its bold font and the way it's worded.
So I read the piece, and responded at Tim's blog:
Photini,
I just read your Calvinism piece and I just wonder how many Calvinists you've ever spoken to, to arrive at your conclusions? This piece charges us 5 pointers with heresy, which is a rather strong charge.
You further state "Regarding sin, Calvinists either try to convince themselves that they are without sin, and thus, members of the elite "elect;" or, they are honest with themselves about sin, but then doubt their salvation/"election."
I just wonder if you still hold to this position or if this is an outdated page? Honestly, I'm hoping for the latter.
I realize this is off topic, but as the nature of blogging goes, when a commenter leaves a link in their sig, it's interesting to see where they come from, theologically.
SDG...
To which Photini replied:
Hi, Carla,
Yeah, you're not kidding this is "off-topic," but, since you ask, not only have I "spoken" with "Five-Point Calvinists," but I have friends who label themselves as such. They know I think they are heretics. They think I'm one, too. So there.
I must say, it is astonishng to me that a self-proclaimed Christian could read my entire conversion story, and remark only on the fact that I believe she is a heretic. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, why would you even care?
May God enlighten us all.
Peace,Photini
So... that brings me to today.
If you're a 5 pointer and you've read Photini's link on Calvinism, you'll likely understand why I believe this warrants questions. If you're not a 5 pointer, I'll do my best to explain. I won't use a tricky parable like Frank does, although it's tempting. :o)
Photini writes:
"not only have I "spoken" with "Five-Point Calvinists," but I have friends who label themselves as such. They know I think they are heretics. They think I'm one, too. So there."
First, I'm not sure how you have friends who are heretics, but I suppose it's possible. It just seems like an unusual character trait in a friend? Anyway... The reason I asked in my reply to Photini "I just wonder how many Calvinists you've ever spoken to, to arrive at your conclusions?" is because her claims are the type that I've read and heard countless times from those who have no idea what Calvinism is. Those who have never taken the time to speak to someone who holds to the 5 points to learn what they are, why they believe what they believe, and where these things can be found in Scripture.
These are the very claims of those who simply repeat what they have heard and read others say, that 5 pointers believe. Her claims are the classic misrepresentation of the faith of those who call themsemselves reformed, 5 pointers, sovereign grace, or Calvinist. I guess it's just hard for me to understand how someone could have friends that are 5 pointers and still come away with the caustic accusations and misrepresentation of their faith, as Photini has done.
The claims:
• These folks try to persuade other believers to join their "camp."
• Five Point Calvinism maligns the character of God.
• Ironically, it is usually Christians who believe they are intellectually superior who fall prey to this heresy.
• We've actually heard these mixed-up brothers and sisters say to unbelievers horrid things like, "Don't worry about where you'll end up-- it's all been settled, and there's nothing you can do about it anyway."
• They twist the Scriptures around and take them out of context to promote this heresy.
• Sadly, they don't have much joy in the Lord. How could they?
• Each time they sin, they have to think to themselves, "Oh-- I wonder if I'm not one of 'the elect'???"
• And who could get excited about a God who creates certain babies with the express purpose of sending them to Hell?!?
• Regarding sin, Calvinists either try to convince themselves that they are without sin, and thus, members of the elite "elect;" or, they are honest with themselves about sin, but then doubt their salvation/"election."
Each of these claims have been brought up many many times by folks, and each have been accurately and Biblically refuted time and time again by men and women of the sovereign grace faith who are much more well spoken than myself. And yet, the same old accusations still ring out. These claims are absolutely ridiculous at best, and bearing false witness at worst. This is the kind of material that the now defunct BaptistFire was made up of (in part), and the reason Strange BaptistFire now exists. To refute the misrepresentation and set the record straight - for those who genuinely desire to know what the truth is, and go to the source, rather than listen to the anti-Calvinism rhetoric.
The Truth:
• We strive to encourage people with questions about what we believe to search the Scriptures and not be deceived by what men say
• Five Point Calvinism exalts the majesty, providence, holines, mercy, grace and glory of God
• It is those who have been broken and undone by the realization of their own depravity and helplessness, and eternally grateful for such undeserved grace, that embrace the doctrines of grace - and all of this is BY grace
• We hear 5 pointers take the utmost concern for the salvation of men and make every effort in the field of evangelism to declare His mercy and forgiveness to a lost and dying world.
• We approach the Scriptures with a humbled heart prepared to be taught, to grow, to learn, and to have our own ideas & traditions broken, if they do not line up. Careful examination of the Scriptures in full context is absolutely critical to proper understanding.
• Our joy, hope, assurance, peace, comfort, wisdom, direction, clarity... it all rests in Him.
• Each time we sin, our hearts are convicted by the Holy Spirit that we have transgressed against our Heavenly Father.
• We take great comfort in His justice and mercy as it pertains to babies and eternity.
• Regarding sin, Calvinists (or 5 pointers) know full well that we will struggle with the lusts of the flesh until the day we die and go Home to Glory. We pray about it, we grieve over it, we thank Him daily when He has kept us mindful of it, and while we do rest in the finished work on the cross at Calvary, we never take sin in our lives lightly, or something to take a fatalist approach to.
This is the kind of material that nearly every anti-Calvininism "sermon" is made up of, that I have heard. It's like listening to someone tell someone else that the white fence post at the end of the driveway is a black telephone pole in the middle of the driveway. What's worse, the person hearing the description of the fence post actually believes or at the very least, accepts what they're hearing as truth.
Photini writes:
"I must say, it is astonishng to me that a self-proclaimed Christian could read my entire conversion story, and remark only on the fact that I believe she is a heretic. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, why would you even care?"
To be clear, I never read the conversion story Photini mentions, when I responded with my comment about her Calvinism page. You can read it here if you'd like. I have since read Photini's testimony and it is indeed heartbreaking to read. It is the story of many who now rest in their faith in Christ, grateful for His grace, thankful for His mercy. She's had a lot of experience in the world, and in the world of religion that sounds very similar to a lot of people I've known over the years.
Photini asks "I mean, in the grand scheme of things, why would you even care?" The most simple answer to this question is this:
Because the accusation is false, it has deceived those that hold to it, and it continues to deceive others who hear it.
I loathe false teaching, and I loathe the fact that so many are deceived by it. What's more, on a personal level it's really aggrivating when someone has been told repeatedly that "no, that is NOT what a Calvinist believes, here's what they really believe" the person flat out ignores what they've just been told and continues to repeat their version. I see this as intentional misrepresentation. (I'm not saying that is what Photini is doing, but I am saying that it happens all the time and that it's just wrong).
So, why should believers care about the false picture of Calvinism being presented these days? The easy answer is grace and truth.
Grace in that we have been recipients of such astounding matchless grace, that we should (should) desire to express this same grace, extend this same grace in conduct toward others. I'm not going to pretend that's an easy thing to do at times, because it certainly is not. Especially when your faith is attacked repeatedly by those who label you a heretic, a liar, someone who twists the Scripture to your own end, someone who worships a baby-killer, and any of the other hyper-emotional arguments being thrown out there. Regardless of the vile accusations, the goal is grace.
Truth in that it is the truth that sets us free. Free from the wages & bondage of sin and free from the false teachings in the world (and in religion).
One of the passages of Scripture that is so important in our day is this one right here:
Colossians 2: 4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Believers are cautioned to beware (be watching, be discerning) of those who would "spoil" us - to lead us away from truth and lead us into their own brand of truth. Noted in this passage is philosophy (the love of wisdom), vain deceit (self-promoting deceptions), traditions of men (teachings and traditions that clearly contradict the teachings of the Word) and rudiments of the world (the things of this world). These are all things that we're supposed to beware of, watching, discerning, being on guard against lest we're carried off into this way of thinking and entertaining as truth.
The constant attack on the sovereign grace faith is nothing more than an exalting of the traditions of men (synergism - individual salvation is achieved through a combination of human will and divine grace) and a refuting of the power, majesty and sovereignty of God in salvation (monergism - salvation as the work of God alone, from first to last).
These attacks are something we're supposed to beware of, LEST we be carried away like a slave to them, and away from Christ. That's why we should care. The truth is under constant assault, for a wide variety of reasons.
Many hold to the opinion that the internet (and blogging specifically) can be a dangerous thing, for this very reason. Anyone with a basic understanding of computers and the internet can have a web site or a blogsite up in minutes, and begin posting literally anything they like. No accountability, fact or fiction, words of grace or words of hate. It doesn't matter, it's a free for all. This is another reason we should care about what's being put out there.
I believe that telling the truth when false teachings are in such abundance, is what earnestly contending for the faith (Jude 1:3) is all about.
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